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King Charles tells Britain to weather the cost of living crisis whilst wearing a hat worth 5 billion pounds.
Maevehttps://thespectaclemag.substack.com/p/king-charles-tells-britain-to-weather
And I watched a video yesterday that perfectly encapsulated everything that is wrong with Britain. The whole thing. A lifetime of systemic failure, of grotesque inequality, of ruling-class contempt disguised as concern, all of it distilled into a single glittering, nauseating image.
There he was. King Charles III. Dressed in his finest robes, the Imperial State Crown on his head (this is a solid gold construction studded with 2,868 diamonds, 17 sapphires, 11 emeralds, 269 pearls, and four rubies). The Sovereign’s Sceptre with Cross contains the largest clear-cut diamond in the world, weighing in at 530 carats…was present but not in the shot. The crown jewels are estimated to be worth up to $8 billion in total. And this man, wearing a hat that could solve homelessness in London, who holds a stick that could fund the NHS for a year, draped in robes worth more than most people will earn in a thousand lifetimes, was telling the British people to ‘weather the storm’ of the cost of living crisis.
Crosspost from https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11612563
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I’m not British, but it really is bizarre seeing this old geezer actually dressed up in this stuff. It’d almost be comical if it wasn’t for the fact that he’s dead fucking serious.
How heavy is the Imperial State Crown?
The Imperial State Crown measures weighs a hefty 1.06kg (2.3lbs) but it is much lighter than the St Edward’s Crown - the headpiece King Charles wore for the moment of his crowning at the Coronation.
This Crown weighs 2.23kg (4.9lbs) and is decorated with 444 precious and semi-precious stones.
Same publication said he may have been sore from wearing the coronation crown. Poor thing. Surely peat mining can’t be nearly as demanding!
davelBut the headline says five billion pounds. So which is it, 5 pounds or 5 billion?
/s
I genuinely thought the king get up was only for sitting for portraits and shit, I didn’t think he wore it to address the nation.
But selling the crown would drive the price of crowns down so low (supply and demand, you know) and you’d never actually get 8 billion. Best you’d get is… maybe one roundabout and a nice tree.
I’m actually wondering how much of that figure is tied to the actual materials and workmanship, and how much is because they are The Crown Jewels.
He actually said the phrase “ensure a fair deal for working people”. Who thought it was a good idea to put that in the speech knowing he was going to be fully dressed in the spoils of exploitation? You’d think they’d at least temper it with the comparative term “fairer” if the more sensitive wardrobe option was truly off the table.
The Prime Minister.
The King’s Speech is effectively when the Prime Minister sticks his hand up the King’s ass and uses the King as a puppet to speak to his or her political goals for that session of Parliament.
Glad some one said it.
I get why people are outraged but really this is someone else talking in a situation he is expected to be in with pomp and circumstance.
I am no fan of kings, but seeing footage of him walking around the town square in just a suit and tie shaking hands with people on the street sure is a sharp contrast to America’s current King.
PeppycitoSo Chuck used his outfit to comment on the moment. Mumzie used to do that too.
The outfit is effectively picked out for him. Him choosing what to wear could mean he was giving an opinion on the speech.
Maybe his standard of Fairness for the plebes isn’t the same as for their betters, and thus he was being totally honest in his desired for a “fair” deal for the working people.
adam_yIt’s cool, the fucker flies around the world on an aeroplane whilst demanding we save the environment.
He’s also one of the single largest tax Dodgers in the UK, so when he talks about “the working man” he’s talking specifically about the very people he steals from.
It’s sad because I don’t see anything dramatically improving in the UK any time soon. It feels as though the people at the top are consistently able to manipulate public opinion against their own best interests.
Just like checks notes the rest of the West, and their collective vassels, globally.
Oh, in my personal experience living in several countries in Europe including the UK, the British elites are pretty much the best in Europe at manipulating the local plebes.
Probably helps that culturally the English (and less so for other nations) have this strain of “know your place” and “look up to your betters” that’s not there or at least nowhere as strong in countries which had actual bottom-up revolutions were they overthrew their installed elites.
Just look at the reaction to the Snowden Revelations in the US and UK - in the former there was an outrage and at least some of it was walked back, in the latter the government just made a law that retroactivelly made the whole thing legal and the press quickly shut up about it and never mentioned it again.
And don’t get me started at the insane levels of Royal Arse Kissing of even supposedly liberal newspapers like The Guardian.
Britain is definitelly “world class” at both sheep herding and being sheep.
DiplomjodlerI’m sure Reform will fix it all, once they’re in power.
I mean, that guy Farage does have a great track record of solid decision-making!
OphrysTo be fair, he didn’t pay for the crown jewels himself, so its not like he had the money to buy them – rather, they were stolen.
It’s still so weird to me to think about how we have more advanced technology and more trade across the planet, yet it seems like our quality of life is being lowered. Ultimately, the reason the 1950s felt different wasn’t because the technology was better, it’s because the economic guardrails were different. The system we have now isn’t broken; it’s functioning exactly as it was redesigned to function over the last 40 years: capturing the immense wealth generated by modern efficiency and funneling it straight to the top.
Seems pretty easy to avoid that blade
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nicpicnameSo fucking sad.
xx_punished_wolf_xxThe crown jewels are state-owned and might as well be part of the UK’s gold reserves worth 30 billion. Given the historical, cultural, and symbolic value, I’d say they should dip into the gold reserves first to solve homelessness and fund the NHS.
You can certainly have a debate about where some of those rocks came from and their ongoing possession by the UK tho!
Ok ok, put it in a museum.
Then any ol’ brit can just go wear it for, say, a low budget music video?
bthestDebate about what? Whether theft is theft?
They keep those jewels away from the brokers because they’re all hot and the countries they were stolen from will make a fuss and ruin that overinflated valuation of that cheap looking gaudy shit. Cultural reasons is a convenient cover.
*To be fair*, the crown’s only “worth” is as a collectable.
It’s not equivalent to, say, 750,000,000 kg of Nutella. E.g £5 billion of Nutella. You can’t just sell it and distribute the Nutella, it has to be manufactured for £billions worth of work.
The crown has no utility. Its gems don’t do anything productive, relative to their value. It can’t pay engineers and farmers and such wages to make Nutella, because what are they gonna do with 1/10,000th of a crown?
Practically, if the UK govt sold all royal stuff, what would happen is some ultra-rich would buy it, and… sit on it, at the expense of other collectables they’d have bought instead. That doesn’t improve much.
It’s also worth noting that the crown jewels do serve a beneficial public service in that they form part of the monetary guarantee for UK currency - the same role as the gold reserves. While not nearly as important after the broad adoption of fiat currency over the gold standard it’s still an important aspect of a nation’s monetary sovereignty. Tacky as fuck yes, but they’re not just tacky as fuck. And definitely far more useful for the country than the actual monarch wearing them.
“You’re just going to sit on all those diamonds?”
Fuck the royals so hard. I fucking can’t stand them. They preach “HELP THE POOR” while sitting pretty on stolen funds. They get paid millions, if not billions, to sit around and do jack fucking shit all day. Fuck them.
I love the mental image though of Chuck fencing mummy’s crown and taking all the rough. sleepers from the arches for a slap up meal
I think those robes, the crown, the Sceptre, they were all the Crown’s stuff - aka the Firm, the organization that is the English monarchy - and not his. They existed before him, they will exist after him, and his wearing them lays little claim of ownership past “work clothes” than a pilot can claim to own the plane he’s flying.
Yes, it’s a bad look. The guy at the bank denying loans wears a fancy suit. The lawyers in America fighting to deny healthcare wear amazing suits.
Would you have him sell the crown he doesn’t effectively own to throw money at a problem? Never go to the Louvre, or they’ll toss you out for yelling about how they should sell the art to pay for the French homeless.
In all this you forget: if the pilot sells his plane, if the Louvre sells some pricy paintings, if the Crown’s representative sells the work clothes he’s issued, who’s buying it? That guy, those people buying them, they’ve truly amassed a personal fortune to be able to buy something like that. It’s not work for them; it’s obscene decadence and greed.
THOSE are your villains. Taxation is how we get them to pay their share from here on in, like we did in the ‘40s through the ‘70s. And I think the max tax rate above 1mil gross takings every year should be a 101% tax rate: you’re paying everything you took and just a little bit more. Maybe take less. Maybe launch fewer rockets and buy a few less elections and pay to fix hunger and healthcare and all that instead.
I think those robes, the crown, the Sceptre, they were all the Crown’s stuff - aka the Firm, the organization that is the English monarchy - and not his. They existed before him, they will exist after him, and his wearing them lays little claim of ownership past “work clothes” than a pilot can claim to own the plane he’s flying.
The Sovereign runs the Firm and so could sell the trappings of royalty.
if the Crown’s representative sells the work clothes he’s issued, who’s buying it? That guy, those people buying them, they’ve truly amassed a personal fortune to be able to buy something like that. It’s not work for them; it’s obscene decadence and greed.
THOSE are your villains.
Those are also our villains. It’s not an either-or. The capitalist class and the vestigial feudal class run the United Kingdom, at the expense of the working class.
Taxation is how we get them to pay their share from here on in, like we did in the ‘40s through the ‘70s.
The capitalist class & nobility gave the working class temporary concessions out of fear of revolution, and they have since clawed those concessions back. They’re not going to pay more taxes without a threat, never mind relinquish power.
My understanding has been that the Crown Jewels are held in trust for the State by The Crown/The Firm, and have been for centuries. That was set up specifically by the court to stop King Humphry Wonderblumph or whichever from selling them for booze money (and so the king he could borrow against the national trust when needed funds from the barons) - so no the king can’t sell the crown jewels without the consent of (now the modern parliment, then the court/feudal parliment).
Apparently it’s complicated, and I don’t care enough to investigate, because the royal trappings don’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. They’re just a useful jumping-off point in discussing class and state power.
Bro he could have said that instead. He went out there in his expensive “work clothes” to tell people that he sees they are suffering and that they should deal with it. Instead of telling the governement to tax the people causing this problem, to rebalance the wealth of this nation a bit, he tells the people to suck it up.
Of course people are angry with him and the image he presents.
The prime minister writes this speech. The king has to read it out word for word as he officiality opens the new session of parliament.
apotheotic (she/her)Speaking of his work clothes - any comments on the texture of his boots?
Once he became king he does indeed own those things. Wild to suggest otherwise
Also I’m not going to explain how a publicly owned art museum is different than the crown of a monarch. Art was created and acquired by the state. To make that crown wealth was extracted on the back of slaves and colonies for generations
lortyImagine having a king and thinking you are a democracy 🤣
Im not sure there is a true democracy on the planet. If there is its some tribe we dont know about
Despite having a King, the UK is a pretty good example of democracy. Better than the US ever was, that’s for sure.
Sometimes things just named names for no reason. North korea calls themselves Democratic Republic, a ceremonial clown calls himself King, those things happen
Like clockwork. If they serve no purpose, get rid of them.
The UK and England in particular has this weird obsession with doing things “the proper way” which means following traditions even when it doesn’t make any sense. So seriously proposing to finally abolishing this monarchical circus is simultaneously an objectively correct thing to do, a not unpopular thing to do, and weirdly, an absolute political suicide. I don’t know how many generations needs to die so this monarchical bug disappears, but I suspect when we will all be underwater from the icecaps melting, and the last 7 Englishmen somewhere in the north will be building their final raft out of soggy newspaper, two of them will be monarchists, and the rest will be too polite to do anything about it, so their raft will have a royal insignia made of biscuit tins, and will be called His Royal Majesty’s Boaty Mc’Boatface The Second.
Britain does rank higher than the USA (but lags Ireland and others) on this democracy ranking.
A lot of apologia itt.
Yes, Lemmy is famously full of royalists and capitalists, and it has nothing to do with how your idea of selling a gold hat to solve homelessness is unrealistic.
How would the hat solve homeless? You would need to find an 8 billion dollar buyer, probably from overseas, to buy that hat, then use so the cash to find programs and housing construction. It would say best, help people for a year before the money ran out. Then what? Key selling assets to foreign countries?
The crown is made with valuables looted from foreign countries so those get returned. The real solution to a housing crisis is to sieze the royal assets and redistribute them to agencies that aid with housing placement. I’m sure you could turn the palaces and castles into massive apartments.
The housing crisis doesn’t exist for lack of money. It exists for lack of political will to invest in vast scale council house building like we did post war.
Governments always find money for the things that are important to them.
Supplying more money won’t fix this. Electing someone who cares about council housing will.
It takes both.
You’d get so much more money by taxing amazon and the other tech giants properly. One expensive object isn’t going to save the country, and no amount of money makes anything better unless there’s the political will.
Of course. And the crown wealth is a symbol that signifies varying specific things to various people. Removing the ambiguity by returning the wealth in these symbols to those from whom they were strong -arm robbed is necessary for healing, both the robbed and the robbers.
Pointless to make me feel warm and fuzzy about how much the government cares before actually solving the fixing problem and mass building the council houses. You’re so focussed on what doesn’t matter and won’t make a difference. Symbolism without real change is worse than nothing. It just leads to disillusionment.
That would literally destroy the value of crown of you broke it up and returned the jewels. Turning the castles into apartments would solve 0.0001% of the homeless problem.
The crown’s value was made with blood and conquest. Returning the gems to the nations they were pillaged from doesn’t make up for the suffering that happened when they were acquired but it’s literally stolen property. There’s no obligation to reward thieves when you return what was stolen to the rightful owners.
And so what if their castles and palaces only house 0.0001% of the population? The UK has population of around 69.5 million, you’d be housing 6950 people in buildings that currently house one family.
It’s about numbers though, it doesn’t do anyone to solve the problem. And it would most likely make the problem worse and it scares the wealth to flee because they are next.
It’s not about numbers, it’s about people. You are correct, booting the royals out of their palaces and turning it into housing would not solve the entirety of the UK’s homeless problem, and while I’m guess you made up the percentage, housing for 6950 people currently unhoused or insecure living conditions is a better use of the buildings, which already exist. The royals also have multigenerational wealth that isn’t tied to stolen items you could transfer to agencies that serve the unhoused, build new developments. Even if didn’t use this moment to overthrow the entire capitalist system (which is unlikely) that wealth could be used to help the impoverished take steps within that system to get affordable housing.
And yes, wether symbolic monarchists holding on to the spoils of the previous centuries or the post-industrial/digital revolution corporatists that have risen in the last couple, the wealthy should be afraid that at some point the bulk of society is going to come kicking down the doors of their palaces, mansions, penthouses, and maybe even engage in a bit of piracy when they flee to their super yachts to reappropriate their estates for distribution to the masses. The world doesn’t need kings and billionaires.
It’s never worked in the past. When it gets to this point it’s the end of the country at we know it.
Redistributing mansions and boats won’t fix the homeless program either.
At the height of derangement.
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To be fair to the king, if this was the state opening of parliament, then he just reads what the elected government wrote for him.
Was wearing that shit mandated or caused by his arrogance?
Remember that time after the Queen died and they caught him on camera whining like a little bitch because his pen broke and spilled ink on his hand?
This ‘man’, if you can call him that, doesn’t care about anyone or anything. He’s just a pampered old piece of refuse.
yes
Thought so.
And he used his outfit to comment on it.
Simping for the “kings” is so 1800s